23:21 <+Hyronymus> so, who's leading?
23:21 <+Hyronymus> and who's making minutes?
23:21 <@Metalcore[IRC]> Hell?
23:21 <@Metalcore[IRC]> eX, you wanna make minutes again?
23:21 <+eXinion[Coder]> yeah sure 
23:22 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ok
23:22 <+Hyronymus> you did a too well job, you'll be asked every single time now ;)
23:22 <@Metalcore[IRC]> Hellfire?
23:22 <+eXinion[Coder]> we can scrap the graphics file format topic though, oliv3r is not here, and neither is anyone else for the graphic format :p
23:22 <@Hellfire[Coder]> huh?
23:22 <@Hellfire[Coder]> sorry.
23:22 <@Metalcore[IRC]> you gonna take over?
23:23 <@Hellfire[Coder]> I was distracted.
23:23 <@Hellfire[Coder]> sure. 
23:23 <+Hyronymus> a girl walked by your window?
23:23 <@Hellfire[Coder]> If you all want to :)
23:23 <+eXinion[Coder]> lol :)
23:23  * eXinion[Coder] wants you to :p
23:23 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Actually, my girlfriend is lying across the room, in my bed :P
23:23 <@Metalcore[IRC]> lol
23:23 <+eXinion[Coder]> ah no wonder :)
23:24 <+Hyronymus> ok, let's stay focussed
23:24 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Very well then. First item: Minutes.
23:24 <+Hyronymus> on this meeting
23:24 <+Jpl> png! png! 
23:24 <+eXinion[Coder]> the minutes were good last time
23:24 <+Hyronymus> yes, they were
23:24 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Any critics :)
23:24 <@Metalcore[IRC]> yup
23:24 <@Hellfire[Coder]> ?
23:24 <+Hyronymus> no comments on them
23:25 <+eXinion[Coder]> we have an agreement
23:25 <+eXinion[Coder]> :)
23:25 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Ok, next item: CVS update/discussion 
23:25 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Ummm. eX, did you suggest the items for this meeting? And if so, what did you mean with this one?
23:25 <+eXinion[Coder]> yes I did, 
23:25 <+Hyronymus> eXinion[Coder] made the suggestion
23:26 <+eXinion[Coder]> this one was meant to get everyone acquainted with CVS
23:26 -!- Hyronymus is now known as Hyronymus[irrit
23:26 <+eXinion[Coder]> everyone that needs to be
23:26 -!- Hyronymus[irrit is now known as Hyronymus[irri]
23:26 <@Metalcore[IRC]> irri?
23:26 <+Hyronymus[irri]> irritator
23:26 <@Metalcore[IRC]> tated?
23:26 <@Metalcore[IRC]> :P
23:26 <+Hyronymus[irri]> you all seem to have a function
23:26 <@Metalcore[IRC]> that's my job >_>
23:26 <+Hyronymus[irri]> oh, does IRC mean the same?
23:27 <@Metalcore[IRC]> lol
23:27 <@Hellfire[Coder]> OT!
23:27 <@Metalcore[IRC]> um, what's the best CVS client for windows?
23:27 <+Hyronymus[irri]> sorry
23:27 <@Hellfire[Coder]> WinCVS.
23:27  * eXinion[Coder] found winCVS pretty usefull
23:27 <+eXinion[Coder]> but you need putty and all it's apps
23:27 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Sourceforge has a really good walkthrough on how to setup WinCVS and PuTTY on Windows.
23:27 <@Metalcore[IRC]> URL?
23:27 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Searching...
23:28 <+eXinion[Coder]> yes, but without that book you recommended (Hellfire), I didn't get CVS :p
23:28 <@Hellfire[Coder]> For the minutes: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=766&group_id=1
23:28 <@Hellfire[Coder]> And about the book: (again, searching)
23:28 <+Hyronymus[irri]> http://www.wincvs.org/
23:29 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Book: http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ <-- Chapter 2 contains a really nice walkthrough of the basic functions of CVS. 
23:29 <@Metalcore[IRC]> I don't need 7zip, do i? I have WinRAR
23:29 <@Hellfire[Coder]> No, you don't need 7zip.
23:29 <@Hellfire[Coder]> You would only have to install PuTTY and WinCVS
23:29 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ok
23:29 <+eXinion[Coder]> So for now, only Oliv3r, Hellfire and me really need CVS ...
23:30 <+Hyronymus[irri]> can I ask about installing TexInfo under XP?
23:30 <@Metalcore[IRC]> well, I want it, for future.
23:30 <@Metalcore[IRC]> oh, for thart, just search texinfo windows
23:30 <@Metalcore[IRC]> google it
23:30 <+Hyronymus[irri]> I really found no how-to
23:31 <@Hellfire[Coder]> I posted something on th eforum for texinfo windows
23:31 <+Hyronymus[irri]> yeah, RTFM
23:31 <+eXinion[Coder]> I found GVim for windows really usefull for editing TexInfo stuff (color-coding)
23:31 <@Metalcore[IRC]> URLs (for the minutes, I won't be editing it :P)
23:31 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Here: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/texinfo.htm
23:31 <+eXinion[Coder]> but not for compiling to pdf
23:31 <@Metalcore[IRC]> yup, that's what I got
23:32 <@Hellfire[Coder]> running the texinfo file through "makeinfo" should be enough to get at least something :)
23:32 <+eXinion[Coder]> under windows ? :S
23:32 <@Hellfire[Coder]> 'makeinfo --html frd.texinfo' will create HTML
23:32 <@Hellfire[Coder]> also in Windows, yes.
23:32 <@Hellfire[Coder]> (I hope)
23:32 <+eXinion[Coder]> lol
23:32 <@Metalcore[IRC]> yeah, it does
23:32 <+eXinion[Coder]> 'makeinfo' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
23:32 <+eXinion[Coder]> operable program or batch file.
23:33 <@Metalcore[IRC]> have to be in the same folder, believe
23:33 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ....maybe
23:33 <@Hellfire[Coder]> or just put in in your path variable.
23:33 <@Metalcore[IRC]> is there a way to register a file as a global exe? like it does when you install perl or the like
23:33 <@Metalcore[IRC]> eh, that too
23:34 <+eXinion[Coder]> ah yes it's working now
23:34 <+eXinion[Coder]> does makeinfo do PDF's ?
23:34 <@Hellfire[Coder]> only when latex is installed.
23:34 <+eXinion[Coder]> a
23:34 <+eXinion[Coder]> ah
23:34 <@Hellfire[Coder]> (So, MikTex on WIndows or tetex on Linux)
23:35  * eXinion[Coder] has miktex :)
23:35 <@Metalcore[IRC]> do you know how to pronounce TeX?
23:35 <@Hellfire[Coder]> teCH
23:35 <@Metalcore[IRC]> yup
23:35 <@Hellfire[Coder]> but it's teKinfo
23:36 <+eXinion[Coder]> okay, so much for pronunciation :)
23:36 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Anything else on the CVS?
23:36 <+Hyronymus[irri]> nope
23:36 <+eXinion[Coder]> no...
23:36 -!- Metalcore[IRC] changed the topic of #tempire to: :: Transport Empire :: Meeting in progress. /msg Metalcore[IRC] for voice :: www.tt-forums.net :: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tt2/ ::
23:36 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Next item then: Design documents - progress report 
23:37  * Hellfire[Coder] is checking the CVS
23:37 <+eXinion[Coder]> well, there's not much progress yet... no ideas have been submitted... Let's talk about how we go about getting them in the frd
23:37 <@Hellfire[Coder]> No updates, which means that the concept document has been added to the CVS and nothing else.
23:38 <@Metalcore[IRC]> I'm installing PuTTy
23:39 <+eXinion[Coder]> I think we should divide the ideas among each other, add them to the doc. OR put a reply to a topic "FRD" (or something) in which you state what ideas you are processing
23:39 <@Hellfire[Coder]> The frd as it is now has six chapters:
23:39 <@Hellfire[Coder]> * Abstract::
23:39 <@Hellfire[Coder]> * Changelog::
23:39 <@Hellfire[Coder]> * Core features::
23:39 <@Hellfire[Coder]> * Environment::
23:39 <@Hellfire[Coder]> * Gameplay::
23:39 <@Hellfire[Coder]> * User interface::
23:39 <@Hellfire[Coder]> eXinion: agreed
23:39 <+eXinion[Coder]> which one shall we use?
23:40 <@Metalcore[IRC]> what?
23:40 <@Hellfire[Coder]> I was wondering if the chapter structure is the right one.
23:40 <@Metalcore[IRC]> !v Aankhen``
23:40 -!- mode/#tempire [+v Aankhen``] by Bot425
23:41 <+eXinion[Coder]> what is the abstract chapter for?
23:41 <@Metalcore[IRC]> weird art?
23:41 <@Hellfire[Coder]> a summary of what can be found in the document
23:41 <+eXinion[Coder]> ah alright
23:41 <@Metalcore[IRC]> brb
23:41 <+eXinion[Coder]> and changelog?
23:41 <@Hellfire[Coder]> What do y'all think of my copyright message? This document is proprietary, until a suitable licence is chosen for the Transport Empire project.
23:42 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Changelog: all changed made to the document.
23:42 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Perhaps we should only write down major changes in the changelog.
23:42 <+Aankhen``> Why proprietary?
23:42 <+eXinion[Coder]> oh alright, doesn't CVS record that? 
23:42 <@Metalcore[IRC]> back
23:43 <+Aankhen``> WB.
23:43 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Aankhen: Proprietary until a licence is chosen.
23:43 <@Metalcore[IRC]> danke
23:43 <+eXinion[Coder]> maybe we should use , in stead of "environment" ,"gameplay","user interface" the categories in which the ideas were categorized?
23:43 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Perhaps.
23:44 <+Aankhen``> «Hellfire[Coder]»: Doesn't make sense in the context.
23:44 <+Aankhen``> Oh, wait.
23:44 <+Aankhen``> Nevermind.
23:44 <+Aankhen``> I was confusing it with something else. :-P
23:44 <@Hellfire[Coder]> But this was the way I envisioned the document:
23:44 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Starting with core features, which basically put some constraints on the entire project.
23:44 <+eXinion[Coder]> yeah, that's good
23:45 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Then the environment in which the program has to run. (OS/Graphic/Audio hardware)
23:45 <+eXinion[Coder]> ah..
23:45 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Gameplay, which describes the game (most of the ideas will go here)
23:45 <@Hellfire[Coder]> and User Interface, which shows some nice eye candy of how we think the game will be controlled.
23:46 <@Metalcore[IRC]> is GUI a functional requirement?
23:46 <@Metalcore[IRC]> i mean, the eye candy GUI.
23:46 <+Hyronymus[irri]> I think it is
23:47 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Yes! The GUI MUST be in this document!
23:47 <+eXinion[Coder]> I think so too
23:47 <+Hyronymus[irri]> if you don't add it now, you'll get into big trouble later
23:47 <+Aankhen``> Don't leave it till the last moment.
23:47 <+eXinion[Coder]> well alright, I agree with the design of the document as is :)
23:47 <+Aankhen``> Have a clear idea as to what the GUI should be like.
23:47 <@Hellfire[Coder]> It doesn't have to be defined tightly, but now would be a really good time to make some concept art.
23:48 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Plus: defining the UI now will give us the possibility to experiment with several designs. 
23:48 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Make some proto's.
23:48 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ok then
23:48 <@Metalcore[IRC]> sounds good
23:48 <+Hyronymus[irri]> should we create a locked topic where Arathorn Ltd. can post some stuff?
23:48 <@Hellfire[Coder]> See if they work (or not) and why.
23:48 <@Metalcore[IRC]> maybe a tender?
23:48 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Is Arathorn a mod?
23:48 <@Metalcore[IRC]> no
23:49 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Then how is he going to post in a locked topic?
23:49 <+Hyronymus[irri]> no, but as we all consider him as head of the graphics
23:49 <+Hyronymus[irri]> we can ask Oven
23:49 <@Metalcore[IRC]> sadly, I think I'm 2nd in command.
23:49 <@Metalcore[IRC]> because I'm the only other one making grpahics
23:49 <+Hyronymus[irri]> yet
23:49 <@Metalcore[IRC]> right
23:49 <@Hellfire[Coder]> *couch* singaporekid
23:49 <+eXinion[Coder]> jpl too, no?
23:49 <+Jpl> hmmm?
23:49 <+Hyronymus[irri]> and maybe be too someday
23:49 <@Metalcore[IRC]> couch?
23:49 <+Hyronymus[irri]> *me
23:50 <+eXinion[Coder]> do you want to do graphics jpl?
23:50 <+eXinion[Coder]> couch = cough Evan
23:50 <+Jpl> maybe
23:50 <@Metalcore[IRC]> singaporekid makes really crappy (IMO) pixel art. so, somehow, that disqualkifies his models ^_^
23:50 <+Hyronymus[irri]> they're not very detailed indeed
23:51 <+Hyronymus[irri]> but if he's really only 12
23:51 <+Hyronymus[irri]> but anyway
23:51 <@Metalcore[IRC]> heh
23:51 <+Hyronymus[irri]> I think it's good to have a seperate topic for the protos
23:51 <@Metalcore[IRC]> yes.
23:51 <+eXinion[Coder]> yeah
23:52 <+Hyronymus[irri]> one that's maintained properly
23:52 <@Metalcore[IRC]> one that should be effectively only posted by devs and artists
23:52 <@Metalcore[IRC]> (get chris to clear out all the other ones)
23:52 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Damnit!! I was searching for the Ideas database and I HAVE IT IN MY BOOKMARKS!!! (Sometimes, I'm such an idiot...)
23:52 <@Metalcore[IRC]> lol
23:52 <+eXinion[Coder]> lol :)
23:52 <@Metalcore[IRC]> jpl.something.org/te/ideas.html ?
23:52 <+eXinion[Coder]> something? :)
23:53 <@Hellfire[Coder]> http://jpl.yi.org/te/index.php?all=1
23:53 <@Metalcore[IRC]> yes, soemthing :P
23:53 <+Jpl> :)
23:53  * eXinion[Coder] has the same one, Hellfire[Coder], including the all=1 :p
23:54 <@Hellfire[Coder]> But anyways... How about: I add Ideas 1 - 10, eXinion adds 11 - 20. Just to get started and to get an idea of what the hell were doing. ;)
23:54 <+Hyronymus[irri]> sounds sound
23:54 <@Metalcore[IRC]> add to what, the frd?
23:54 <+eXinion[Coder]> yes sure, that's good...  I'll do them tomorrow :)
23:54 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Any other volunteers for 21 - 30 or 31 - 40?
23:54 <@Metalcore[IRC]> "add to what, the frd?"
23:54 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Evan: Add ideas to the FRD.
23:54 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ok
23:54 <@Metalcore[IRC]> i'll volunteer for the 20s
23:55 <@Hellfire[Coder]> ok
23:55 <@Metalcore[IRC]> but.....won't we then have 3 versions of the FRD. one with 1-10, one with 11-20, aand one with 21-20?
23:55 <+eXinion[Coder]> make sure you add to the CVS-commit comment what ideas you committed :p
23:55 <@Hellfire[Coder]> And remember: update your CVS working copy BEFORE you commit!
23:55 <+eXinion[Coder]> no Evan, that's the CVS-advantage :)
23:55 <+eXinion[Coder]> read chapter 2 of the red-bean book
23:56 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Shall I explain briefly?
23:56 <+eXinion[Coder]> it'll explain all
23:56 <+eXinion[Coder]> that's good too :)
23:56 <@Hellfire[Coder]> What CVS does, is keep all files in a central repository. Each developer checks out his own working copy, which is the most recent version of all files in the CVS.
23:57 <@Hellfire[Coder]> As they make changes to the files, the files in the repository will differ form the files in the working copy.
23:57 <@Hellfire[Coder]> After editing files, the developer commits his changes to the repository.
23:57 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Then, the repository will then represent his working copy.
23:58 <@Metalcore[IRC]> red-bean book?
23:58 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Other developers might also want to edit some files. Perhaps the same, perhaps other.
23:58 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Evan: check the minutes when they're done. 
23:58 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ok
23:58 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Before changing files, a dev should update his working copy, so it will represent the repository.
23:58 <@Metalcore[IRC]> cvsbook.org?
23:59 <@Metalcore[IRC]> okie dokie
23:59 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Also, it is wise to update before committing, to prevent removing changes from other authors.
23:59 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Which is, in a nutshell, a very poor description of CVS
00:00 <@Hellfire[Coder]> FOr a much better description, check chapter 2 of the CVS book.
00:00 <@Metalcore[IRC]> heh
00:00 <@Metalcore[IRC]> what's the difference between your first and second statement?
00:00 <+Hyronymus[irri]> the time in between
00:00 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ...
00:00 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Yes, could be hours, days, even weeks.
00:00 <@Metalcore[IRC]> what?
00:01 <@Hellfire[Coder]> the time in between.
00:01 <@Hellfire[Coder]> To keep it simple: always update.
00:01 <@Metalcore[IRC]> what's the difference between "Before Changing...." and "Also, it is...."?
00:01 <@Hellfire[Coder]> before editing, after, before committing.
00:01 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Before changing the files in your working copy...
00:01 <@Metalcore[IRC]> oh, yes i see
00:02 <@Hellfire[Coder]> And before committing them to the repository.
00:02 <+Hyronymus[irri]> can this be discusses after the meeting?
00:02 <+Hyronymus[irri]> this is pretty OT
00:02 <+eXinion[Coder]> :)
00:02 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Yes, it can.
00:02 <+Hyronymus[irri]> I suggest it will be done then
00:02  * eXinion[Coder] agress
00:02 <@Hellfire[Coder]> So, Hellfire: 1 - 10, eXinion: 11 - 20, Metalcore: 21 - 30
00:02 <+eXinion[Coder]> agrees*
00:03 <@Hellfire[Coder]> ok then
00:03 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Graphics File formats 
00:03 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ok
00:03  * eXinion[Coder] motions to dismiss this topic, as oliv3r is not here
00:03 <+Hyronymus[irri]> I think we should skip this until some research has been done into the various formats
00:03 <@Hellfire[Coder]> motion exepted.
00:04 <@Hellfire[Coder]> accepted *
00:04 <+Hyronymus[irri]> let's create a topic for grpahic format research
00:04 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Ok.
00:04 <+Hyronymus[irri]> documentation is necessairy
00:04 <@Hellfire[Coder]> We're talking about 3d mesh file formats here, right?
00:04 <+Hyronymus[irri]> not only
00:04 <+Hyronymus[irri]> also plain images
00:05 <+Hyronymus[irri]> what will the screenshots be like (jpg, png, pcx, bmp)
00:05 <+eXinion[Coder]> yes, all grpahics
00:05 <@Metalcore[IRC]> someone has to second the motion, first ;)
00:05 <+eXinion[Coder]> graphics*
00:05 <@Hellfire[Coder]> So for plain images, how to interface with libraries like jpeg or libpng and stuff
00:05 <+Hyronymus[irri]> yes
00:06 <+Hyronymus[irri]> when someone creates the topic, ask Arathorn to the research
00:06 <+Hyronymus[irri]> *to do
00:06 <@Hellfire[Coder]> I'll add a research task to SF. Which is actually the right place to put it ;)
00:06 <+Hyronymus[irri]> k
00:06 <@Hellfire[Coder]> http://sourceforge.net/pm/task.php?group_project_id=35287&group_id=73145&func=browse
00:06 <@Hellfire[Coder]> ;)
00:07 <+Hyronymus[irri]> I also thin next meeting should at least be about this research
00:07 <@Hellfire[Coder]> hmm
00:07 <@Hellfire[Coder]> It would indeed be a useful addition to the file format item on the agenda, yes.
00:08 <+Hyronymus[irri]> that's my point too
00:08 <@Hellfire[Coder]> ummm
00:08 <+Hyronymus[irri]> what we discussed right now is only getting it from the ground
00:08 <@Hellfire[Coder]> We could divide the tasks here:
00:08 <@Hellfire[Coder]> someone takes jpeg, someone png, someone bmp etc.
00:09 <@Hellfire[Coder]> I'll take jpeg.
00:09 <+eXinion[Coder]> and list dis- and advantages
00:09 <+Hyronymus[irri]> wow, wait
00:09 <@Hellfire[Coder]> not necessary.
00:09 <+Hyronymus[irri]> wouldn't it be easier if you made a compare with one other format
00:09 <+Jpl> bmp is easy.
00:09 <+Hyronymus[irri]> the winner from that compare will be compared to the other winner
00:09 <+Jpl> png is easy too, with libpng
00:09 <@Hellfire[Coder]> For still images, I think we should be able to read all kinds of file formats.
00:10 <+Hyronymus[irri]> Jpl, it's not about easy. It's about usefulness
00:10 <+eXinion[Coder]> ah, now I get it :)
00:10 <+Jpl> Hyronymus[irri]: that too :)
00:10 <+Hyronymus[irri]> make a decision quick
00:10 <+Jpl> png is a must-have.
00:10 <+eXinion[Coder]> jpg too
00:10 <+Hyronymus[irri]> I'm willing to research some too
00:10 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Ok: be able to read Jpeg, Png
00:11 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Gif is a no-go.
00:11 <+eXinion[Coder]> gif is ugly
00:11 <@Metalcore[IRC]> no one added it to the research thing.
00:11 <+Hyronymus[irri]> bmp neither
00:11 <@Hellfire[Coder]> And gif is patented.
00:11 <@Hellfire[Coder]> BMP is retarded (sorry)
00:11 <@Metalcore[IRC]> and we need to actually finish our research on time, this time
00:11 <+eXinion[Coder]> np
00:11 <+Hyronymus[irri]> jpeg, png, pcx and tiff?
00:11 <+Jpl> png replaces bmp very well.
00:11 <@Hellfire[Coder]> which leaves JPEG, PNG. Perhaps TIFF.
00:11 <@Metalcore[IRC]> targa?
00:11 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ....or whatever it's called
00:11 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Hyr: you can leave out Pcx.
00:11 <+Jpl> png replaces targa, tga too...
00:11 <+Hyronymus[irri]> targa = tiff
00:12 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ah
00:12 <@Hellfire[Coder]> So we go with JPG, PNG and TIFF?
00:12 <+eXinion[Coder]> sure
00:12 <+Hyronymus[irri]> shall I do all the researh, Hellfire[Coder]?
00:12 <@Hellfire[Coder]> If you want to, no problemo.
00:12 <+Hyronymus[irri]> so you can do some other research?
00:12 <+Hyronymus[irri]> ok
00:12 <+Hyronymus[irri]> if I get troubl with CVS I call you
00:12 <+eXinion[Coder]> we can concentrate on the FRD :)
00:12 <@Hellfire[Coder]> so we can write the FRD :)
00:12 <@Metalcore[IRC]> like your cross-platform thing -_-
00:12 <+Hyronymus[irri]> then I'm off now
00:12 <+Jpl> then 3d mesh formats?
00:12 <+Hyronymus[irri]> sorry for that :p
00:13 <+eXinion[Coder]> np, byebye
00:13 <@Metalcore[IRC]> see ya
00:13 <@Hellfire[Coder]> We'll argue about the 3d mesh formats later 
00:13 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ok, 3d meshes...
00:13 <+Hyronymus[irri]> have fun and don't smash eachother'sskull
00:13 <@Hellfire[Coder]> bye, Hyr.
00:13 <+Jpl> hehee
00:13 -!- Hyronymus[irri] [borgirc-nl@Hyronymus.users.quakenet.org] has quit [Quit: Server hopping]
00:13 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Umm
00:13 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Jpl, have you read the minutes?
00:13 <+Jpl> yes...
00:14 <@Hellfire[Coder]> In the minutes, I tried to sum up all pros and cons for each 3d format mentioned.
00:14 <+Jpl> there was something with .blend
00:14 <@Metalcore[IRC]> yes?
00:14 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Which as you could see wasn't really much.
00:15 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Which also means that until some real research is done into those file formats, we cannot make a decision. Exept the discion to start researching ;)
00:15 <+eXinion[Coder]> let's decide to start researching :p
00:16 <@Metalcore[IRC]> i second that motion :P
00:16 <@Hellfire[Coder]> motion accepted :P
00:16 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Added to targets :)
00:16 <+eXinion[Coder]> good :)
00:16 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Any other business on File formats?
00:17 <+eXinion[Coder]> no
00:17 <+Jpl> which formats game use internally?
00:17 <+Jpl> to store mesh, etc.
00:17 <@Hellfire[Coder]> C++ classes?
00:17 <@Metalcore[IRC]> we gonna make our own format, Hell?
00:18 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Jpl: with internally, do you mean on disk or in memory?
00:18 <+Jpl> on disk.
00:18 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Dunno, Evan. That's what research is for.
00:18 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Ah.
00:18 <+Jpl> to load to memory at optimal speed :)
00:18 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Jpl: to do that, the best way would be to use a format of our own.
00:18 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Which means:
00:18 <+Jpl> yes, that is what I mean :)
00:18 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Making converters for popular 3d file formats.
00:19 <@Metalcore[IRC]> which shouldn't be all too hard
00:19 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Then what is the problem? ;)
00:19 <+eXinion[Coder]> depends
00:19 <@Metalcore[IRC]> 3ds, .blend, and .lwo are all well-documented, yes?
00:19 <+Jpl> yes.
00:19 <@Hellfire[Coder]> I'm not sure about 3ds, but blend and lwo are.
00:20 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ok
00:20 <+Jpl> http://www.wotsit.org/
00:20 <+Jpl> there is... everything.
00:21 <@Hellfire[Coder]> :)
00:21 <@Hellfire[Coder]> All in favour of proprietary formats please raise your hand :)
00:21  * Hellfire[Coder] raises
00:21 <+Jpl> o/ :)
00:21  * eXinion[Coder] raises
00:21 <+Aankhen``> With convertors?
00:21 <@Metalcore[IRC]> proprietary formats...?
00:21 <@Metalcore[IRC]> you mean, our own?
00:21 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Convertors from popular 3d file formats to our internal format
00:21 <@Metalcore[IRC]> \o/
00:21  * Aankhen`` raises.
00:21 <@Metalcore[IRC]> both hands ;)
00:22 <@Metalcore[IRC]> |o
00:22 <+Aankhen``> That's if I have any say. :-)
00:22 <@Metalcore[IRC]> hmm.
00:22 <@Hellfire[Coder]> very well then. 
00:22 <@Metalcore[IRC]> you're here, you have a say ;)
00:22 <+Aankhen``> Heh, okay.
00:22 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Any other business on file formats?
00:23 <+eXinion[Coder]> I've nothing
00:23 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Ok.
00:23 <+Jpl> nothing.
00:23 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Next item: question round.
00:24  * eXinion[Coder] had all his questions answered
00:24 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Jpl?
00:24 <+Jpl> can I join the project on sourceforge somehow? :)
00:24 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Evan?
00:24 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Yes,
00:24 <@Hellfire[Coder]> for that, you would have to contact owen or chriscf.
00:24 -!- Topic for #tempire: :: Transport Empire :: Meeting in progress. /msg Metalcore[IRC] for voice :: www.tt-forums.net :: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tt2/ ::
00:24 -!- Topic set by Metalcore[IRC] [~Evanseeds@adsl-220-162-32.mob.bellsouth.net] [Sat Jul 31 23:36:29 2004]
00:24 <@Metalcore[IRC]> How do you make windows take an .exe file as a command-line command?
00:24 <@Hellfire[Coder]> They are the project administrators, and they can add you.
00:24 <@Metalcore[IRC]> like, perl perl.pl
00:25 <+Jpl> Metalcore[IRC]: easily
00:25 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Add the directory of the file to your PATH variable.
00:25 <+Jpl> well, answered :)
00:26 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Aankhen: any questions?
00:26 <+Aankhen``> Not at the moment.
00:27 <+eXinion[Coder]> Shall we decide on the next date & time for the next meeting then?
00:27 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Ok then. Next meeting: August 7? Or shall we skip a week and make it August 14th?
00:27 <+Aankhen``> Probably not for the rest of this meeting either, it's around 3:00 AM. :-P
00:27 <@Hellfire[Coder]> :O
00:27  * eXinion[Coder] is on holiday august 14th
00:27 <@Metalcore[IRC]> I porbably won't be here for the next two weeks
00:27 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Make it 7 then.
00:27 <@Metalcore[IRC]> but I might
00:27 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Next meeting: August 7th, 2000 UTC.
00:27 <+eXinion[Coder]> if we have meeting a little earlier, then mek can come, and if we make it a sunday, arathorn can come
00:28 <@Hellfire[Coder]> hmm
00:28 <+Aankhen``> 2000 UTC...
00:28  * Aankhen`` tries to figure out what that would be.
00:28 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Sunday, August 7th, 1800 utc then?
00:28 <+Aankhen``> Hrm.
00:28 <@Hellfire[Coder]> UTC = GMT
00:28 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ....1 PM here
00:28 <+Aankhen``> 2300 UTC was 2:00 AM for me.
00:28 <+Aankhen``> Ah, okay.
00:28 <+eXinion[Coder]> august 8th that is
00:28 <+Aankhen``> So about, uh... 1:30 AM for me?
00:28 <+Aankhen``> Sounds great. :-P
00:28 <@Hellfire[Coder]> IS it 1:30 AM right now for you?
00:28 <+Aankhen``> No.
00:29 <+Aankhen``> It's 3:00 AM.
00:29 <@Metalcore[IRC]> why august 8th?
00:29 <+Aankhen``> (roughly)
00:29 <+Jpl> 0:30 AM here :)
00:29 <@Hellfire[Coder]> I see...
00:29 <@Metalcore[IRC]> 16:30 here
00:29 <+eXinion[Coder]> 23:29 here :)
00:29 <+eXinion[Coder]> august 8th, cause arathorn would like a meeting on a sunday
00:29 <@Metalcore[IRC]> ah, yes
00:29 <@Hellfire[Coder]> So you would have GMT+6 or something...
00:29 <+Aankhen``> August 8th?  Ah, I'm out then.
00:29 <+Aankhen``> I will have school the next day.
00:29 <+Aankhen``> «Hellfire[Coder]»: GMT +5.5.
00:29 <+Aankhen``> India.
00:30 <@Hellfire[Coder]> :)
00:30 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Almost :D
00:30 <+Aankhen``> Heh.
00:30 <+Aankhen``> Very close. =)
00:30 <@Metalcore[IRC]> I'm GMT-5
00:30 <+Jpl> GMT +3 here. 
00:30 <+eXinion[Coder]> can someone post a log on the forum? 
00:30  * eXinion[Coder] has very bad logging in his client
00:30 <@Hellfire[Coder]> I would have no objections against 1600 UTC... But some Dutch people will be eating then :)
00:30 <+eXinion[Coder]> with color-codes logged :S 
00:31 <+Aankhen``> «eXinion[Coder]»: Where?
00:31 <@Hellfire[Coder]> JPL has logs on his website.
00:31 <+Aankhen``> Oh, nevermind then. :-)
00:31 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Aankhen: http://www.tt-forums.net :)
00:31 <+Jpl> http://jpl.yi.org/~jpl/tempire/
00:31 <@Metalcore[IRC]> 1600.....that'd be 11 AM here
00:31 <+Aankhen``> Yeh, I meant which section... but nevermind. :-P
00:31 <@Metalcore[IRC]> might not be awake, or will be at church
00:31 <+Aankhen``> 1600 UTC probably = round about 11:30 PM for me.
00:31 <@Metalcore[IRC]> or maybe with my dad
00:31 <+Aankhen``> Wait.
00:31 <+Aankhen``> That's... uh...
00:31 <@Metalcore[IRC]> 21:30\
00:32  * Aankhen`` 's face screws up with the effort of thinking.
00:32 <@Metalcore[IRC]> 9:30 pm, aank
00:32  * eXinion[Coder] will post a log then
00:32 <+Aankhen``> Ah, right.
00:32 <+Aankhen``> Thanks.
00:32 <+Jpl> timestamps are in GMT+3 there.
00:32 <+Aankhen``> Always useful to have someone to think for you. :-D
00:32 <@Hellfire[Coder]> 1600 then?
00:32 <@Hellfire[Coder]> we'll keep it short. Hour at most :)
00:32 -!- Lega-C [~s_imon@D40A7937.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #tempire
00:32 <+Jpl> 1900 sounds good to me.
00:32 <+Jpl> (which is 1600 UTC)
00:32 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Any objections?
00:33 <@Metalcore[IRC]> 1600 UTC?
00:33 <+eXinion[Coder]> no objections
00:33 <@Metalcore[IRC]> "1600.....that'd be 11 AM here"
00:33 <@Metalcore[IRC]> "might not be awake, or will be at church"
00:33 <@Metalcore[IRC]> 'or maybe with my dad"
00:33 <+Jpl> two meetings?
00:33 <@Hellfire[Coder]> not awake @ 11 AM? That's either sad or lazy :P
00:34 <@Hellfire[Coder]> But:
00:34 <@Hellfire[Coder]> Meeting adjourned! Next meeting: Sunday, august 8th @ 1600 UTC