[21:23:53] I suggest we start the meeting now [21:23:58] the agenda: Agenda: [21:23:58] - Discuss minutes of 31-10-2004 [21:23:58] - Picking minutes-man [21:23:58] - FRD progress [21:23:58] - Prototypes [21:23:59] Im here too. [21:24:00] - Featured discussion [21:24:02] - Any other business [21:24:03] - Setting new date + agenda [21:24:07] I knew that, Zuu [21:24:46] And Hyronymus is chairman again ? [21:24:55] the minutes of last meeting had a slight delay :p [21:24:59] did anyone have anything to say about the last minutes [21:25:01] *does [21:25:02] yeah, and if I make 'm again, they will be delayed again :$ [21:25:02] oh, uhm. Yes, I am [21:25:08] * eXinion has exams next week and the week after [21:25:30] no comments though on the previous minutes, chirho? [21:25:37] I guess there was no comment on the minutes because everybody had read the log [21:25:39] I have nothing to comment. [21:25:55] Vatso? [21:26:00] anything to comment [21:26:03] nothing [21:26:09] Last minutes don't have anything to comment on.. :P [21:26:09] chirho? [21:26:09] As someone mentioned at the forums, it was well structured. [21:27:02] the minutes were very readable [21:27:06] yep [21:27:06] good [21:27:06] perhaps nice to keep them as a standard [21:27:07] I agree.. [21:27:08] who else agrees? [21:27:12] me [21:27:17] * eXinion too [21:27:17] me [21:27:19] I liked the TODO section. [21:27:30] I agree. [21:27:32] and chirho [21:27:46] still no answer from him on the previous question [21:28:01] is he here? [21:28:10] minutes of 31102004 will be the stnadard then [21:28:33] next question: who makes the minutes for this meeting/ [21:28:33] no comments [21:29:11] Grr. Something seems to be causing my machine to freeze ... [21:29:13] the refridgerator? [21:29:14] No - not cold enough :) [21:29:15] sorry, chairmans shouldn't go OT [21:29:27] no volunteers for making minutes [21:29:40] I can do it [21:29:41] kernel < 2.6.9? [21:29:44] randomly... [21:29:46] thanks pjaytycy [21:30:20] heh. no need to draw lots.. [21:30:22] are we agreed to proceed to the FRD progress discussion [21:30:28] no [21:30:30] I'll try my best to follow the just decided standard... [21:30:30] Nod. [21:31:01] pick a minutes man first. [21:31:01] Zuu? [21:31:15] * eXinion agrees [21:31:18] we just did [21:31:19] pjaytycy makes minutes [21:31:21] get yourself some coffee too ;) [21:31:32] OK [21:31:34] :P [21:31:48] FRD progress it is then [21:31:55] lemme see what was assigned [21:32:25] I did only 3 of the 25 ideas assigned to me. [21:32:33] naughty [21:32:38] what was the reason [21:32:43] ;) [21:32:50] somebody forgot to tell me? [21:33:19] * eXinion did none, and is suffering from a little lag [21:33:26] ah [21:33:26] valid reason [21:33:27] weren't you told at the last meeting, when you volunteered? [21:33:27] ;) [21:33:32] he wasn't there [21:33:34] I have "only" don half of my qouta. (spent 10h+ to get my internet to work this week) [21:33:36] we uhm, made him a volunteer [21:34:05] chirho:he was not at the meeting [21:34:09] have you noticed that wiki works very slowly? [21:34:12] Oh, volunteer-by-proxy. Naughty, naughty. [21:34:16] I volunteered in the forum, and got some ideas assigned in the meeting, but it was only 4 or 5 days later I read that in the meeting's log (or Zuu mentionned it) [21:34:38] I did have something through from SF recently about problems with the database servers in general [21:34:41] we made a communication error there [21:35:08] pjaytycy: I mentioned that we maybe shuld mention it to you. [21:35:26] Yeah, but you mentionned the wrong set :-) [21:35:31] let's see, eXinion you had 100-120 to do [21:35:50] we'll come to pjaytycy's part later [21:35:55] uh no Hyronymus, I had to do 181 - 200 :p [21:36:37] but the minutes say 100-120 [21:36:44] not here... [21:36:54] in the to-do-list? [21:37:24] oh, not there [21:37:24] I see [21:37:38] oh, my bad, I see now [21:37:39] what's the status on 181-200 [21:37:41] * eXinion smacks himself [21:37:41] haven't done any... been busy studying [21:37:41] ok [21:37:43] does someone have to take them from you? [21:38:02] not necessarily, but yes if you want them done within the next two weeks [21:38:13] I think the latter is important [21:38:25] ah [21:38:26] I think this FRD is taking quite long now [21:38:39] I fear I'm not going to make that deadline [21:38:39] * pjaytycy still has 30 todo [21:38:58] * Zuu have 20 to do [21:39:03] I did 16 today in 2,5 hours [21:39:43] includsing looking for dupes (fun!!!) [21:39:46] I'm currently jobless.. :P [21:39:49] 30 is quite alot [21:39:49] I see that we've got around 70 or so remaining out of the 246. Nice work in the last couple of weeks there [21:39:56] can I suggest a key for the reamining 70? [21:40:08] key? [21:40:16] a way to divide them over people [21:40:26] Jpl, you mind taking 15 of them? [21:40:36] which? [21:40:42] let's see [21:40:51] * eXinion is not receiving messages anymore [21:40:53] 67-82 [21:41:12] Didn't I do 67 -70 yet ? [21:41:56] 67-100 [21:41:57] *** eXinion has left #tempire [21:41:57] *** eXinion (exinion@t-26-202.athome.tue.nl) has joined channel #tempire [21:41:57] *** Mode change "+v eXinion" for channel #tempire by L [21:41:59] *** Signoff: eXinion (Read error: EOF from client) [21:41:59] and that's qyite a load, so I thought Jpl 67-82 nd you 82-100? [21:42:01] *** eXinion (exinion@t-26-202.athome.tue.nl) has joined channel #tempire [21:42:01] *** Mode change "+v eXinion" for channel #tempire by L [21:42:12] yeah, ok, but 67 en 68 are done yet :-) [21:42:12] and now? :) [21:42:15] and where/how should I post them..? [21:42:20] ah there I see something [21:42:22] oh, those are doen [21:42:27] ok :-) [21:42:30] I'm here [21:42:34] 69-85 for Jpl [21:42:42] and 86-100 for pjaytycy [21:42:47] Fine with me [21:42:58] fine with you too, Jpl [21:43:04] yes [21:43:21] well, i added ideas 221-246 this afternoon [21:43:46] so those are done [21:43:46] but can you answer my question? [21:44:00] on the wiki on Sourceoforge [21:44:03] (Link: http://tt2.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)http://tt2.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page [21:44:09] which tends to be slow indeed [21:44:11] I'm slowly searching for it.. [21:45:11] what remains are eXinion's ideas [21:45:11] who's Jeroen Otto again? Hyronymus right? [21:45:16] :D [21:45:19] ssst ;) [21:45:37] lol ;) [21:46:04] he seems to be he ;-) [21:46:08] 141-180 are still open too [21:46:11] zuu, you had 141-180 [21:46:14] yes. [21:46:24] any chance of adding them in 2 weeks> [21:46:31] I had hard to understand some of the Ideas. [21:46:55] some ard difficult indeed [21:47:09] I have something to ask about that later [21:47:13] But exept that I guss I can do it. [21:47:23] you can keep ideas retained if you're not sure [21:47:36] That leaves 201-220. Who's in charge of those ? [21:48:18] I think it leaves 181-200 [21:48:22] zuu: mark them in the big table as "retained" and stick them on your user page or something [21:48:23] I can take those from you, eXinion [21:48:24] yeah, those are mine [21:48:30] alright, that's good [21:48:40] we don;t want you to fail a test [21:48:40] retained? [21:48:52] 181-200 are done ... (says the wiki) [21:49:00] 201-220 are not done [21:49:04] really? [21:49:13] oh god, then I made 2 mistakes :p [21:50:18] chriho, or someone: I have to ask you abit about the FRD process. But we can take it after the meeting. [21:50:18] seems like you did [21:50:22] that explains why it said 101-120 in the minutes, typed 1 in stead of 2 [21:50:23] pjaytycy, don't copy errors from the standard for minutes ;) [21:50:40] will do, Zuu [21:50:45] I have some questions too [21:50:48] goog [21:50:50] good [21:51:00] but I'm getting confused now [21:51:20] 161-180 are open [21:51:24] I suggest I take those [21:51:28] I thought it was: [21:51:29] Todo: [21:51:29] ===== [21:51:29] 69-85 : Jpl [21:51:29] 86-100 : PJay [21:51:29] 161-180 : Zuu [21:51:29] 201-220 : Hyronymus [21:51:43] oh [21:51:43] yes, very nice summary [21:51:46] thankx [21:52:11] I think that's correct [21:52:21] you saved me there, pjaytycy [21:52:27] and then we're all done with the FRD right [21:52:30] yes 161-180 are mine [21:52:45] w00t [21:52:56] yes, I guess we're done [21:53:08] I have some questions though about adding ideas [21:53:08] I gess so too. [21:53:16] and Zuu has some too I guess [21:53:21] yes [21:53:31] we can discuss m shortly ;) [21:53:34] so if anyone familiar with the FRD can stick around after the meeting, pls [21:54:34] I vote for after the meeting [21:54:36] I'll be there, but just to learn, not to answer :-) [21:54:36] I think Hellfire is the man, but saidly he is not here :( [21:54:38] okay, that's good too, I'll stay a few minutes longer ;) [21:54:39] thanx [21:54:51] end of FRD? [21:55:05] sadlier, I'll have to disappear in about 15 minutes or so :( [21:55:01] yes [21:55:21] well, maybe we can hurry abit now [21:55:37] next point on the agenda is prototypes [21:56:12] Zuu, how's your school project? [21:56:38] its gooing. But I have acutly not done that much since last. [21:56:42] If there are questions on FRD-related things, and nobody's around to answer them, just leave them on the Talk:Functional Requirements and someone will come back and answer them when they have more time : [21:56:58] so you can't show any code right now? [21:57:07] thanx chirho btw [21:57:08] no. [21:57:24] I want to hand it in first, before I publish it. [21:57:39] should we keep it on the agenda or will you suggest it as a discussion point yourself? [21:58:11] keep what? [21:58:32] Do we have to ask you for progress every meeting or will you tell us when it's ready? [21:58:38] my project? [21:58:49] the progress on your school project [21:58:59] I'll tell when its finnished. [21:59:03] ok [21:59:26] sadly uzurpator isn't here to tell about his flexible system of windows [21:59:48] I've not seen much on it at the forums [21:59:54] I have tried to looked into crystalspaces windowing system. [22:00:32] shall we push that to the next meeting or shall we send Uzurpator an email about it [22:00:40] I have tried to look into crystalspaces windowing system. [22:00:57] and also ask him if he wants it on the agenda again or tells us when it's done [22:00:57] hang on, Zuu [22:01:04] sure [22:01:14] what say you, eXinion [22:01:39] what say you, chirho [22:01:44] lets send an e-mail and ask [22:01:55] he'll probably tell us when it's done [22:01:56] and you, Jpl? [22:02:02] Nod. I agree. [22:02:09] no comments. go on. [22:02:13] I guess we can decide about what we need in the windowing system without having a prototype first [22:02:35] ok [22:02:57] I have a note about windowing system. [22:03:03] I'll send him an email [22:03:03] after the meeting [22:03:04] okey [22:03:08] then speak! [22:03:08] :p [22:03:10] yes [22:03:15] me? [22:03:21] yes, you [22:03:23] ok [22:04:29] In my old project junctioneer I made an windowing system from scratrch that alreadey have been ported from DirectXto SDL. And a port to OpenGL will probably not be to difficult. [22:05:07] hm [22:05:24] should we react yet? [22:05:25] Do you have a small feature-list of that windowing system ? [22:06:00] Not realy. But I can make one after the meeting. [22:06:09] *** Signoff: eXinion (Read error: EOF from client) [22:06:14] *** eXinion (exinion@t-26-202.athome.tue.nl) has joined channel #tempire [22:06:14] *** Mode change "+v eXinion" for channel #tempire by L [22:06:17] I dont have drag and drop. [22:06:20] sorry, bout that [22:06:29] np [22:07:07] more questions? [22:07:19] can you post that list on the forums? [22:07:25] I don't know what to ask :p [22:07:33] Yes. [22:07:35] It 's hard to tell anything if the only thing you know about it is "I don't have drag-and-drop" :-) [22:07:43] yes sure. [22:07:46] Sorry to disappoint, but I've got to run. [22:07:54] can you make screenschots too, Zuu [22:07:56] ok chirho [22:08:02] see you next time [22:08:04] junctioneer.sf.net [22:08:06] good night, see you all again [22:08:12] byebye [22:08:13] good night [22:08:15] bye [22:09:15] Zuu: I only see one screenshot there, and it's quite a simple window :-) [22:09:18] I just wanted you to know so we wont make a new one from scratch if this one is enoght. [22:09:18] I gues we can continue now. [22:10:08] more screens: (Link: http://www.zuu.info/test/home.php?page=junc&jampage=graphics)http://www.zuu.info/test/home.php?page=junc&jampage=graphics [22:10:17] despite that we still have one more thing under Prototypes [22:10:33] eXinion, any news from crystalspace? [22:10:52] no not yet, but I think Zuu tried something on it..? [22:11:31] a litle. [22:11:40] what was the result/ [22:11:40] I had a hell to compile the tutorals. so I gave up. [22:11:50] hehe [22:11:55] lol :) [22:12:01] you're not optimistic about it [22:12:07] * eXinion got those to work, but it's just simple, although already pretty nice [22:12:22] well I will try to do some stuff on my own. [22:12:29] ok [22:12:38] but the documentation is not verry good. [22:12:49] I agree [22:12:55] can you both tell us when any of you have anything new to mention about crystalspace? [22:13:01] took a long time, only to install the 'damned' application [22:13:16] sure [22:13:41] yes, I'll let you know a.s.a.p. [22:13:46] for now it looks like we won't have prototypes on the next meeting UNLESS someone has something to discuss [22:13:51] I think that's better [22:14:07] sure, good idea [22:14:13] saves about 10 minutes ;) [22:14:18] indeed [22:14:25] and keeps the attention high ;) [22:14:27] I think the "featured discussion" idea is more usefull [22:14:44] everyone agrees on moving on to featured discussion/ [22:14:49] yes [22:15:10] yes [22:15:46] I think zuu should tell us about it [22:15:50] since he made the first topic [22:15:55] ok [22:16:05] what shuld I tell? [22:16:18] * pjaytycy thinks Zuu picked a good topic [22:16:44] you added stuff to the wiki right [22:17:02] Yes, but probably we have to discuss the games focus before we realy can contune with other topics. [22:17:56] Hyronymus: I think criss did that. [22:18:08] I agree with Zuu about "game focus" [22:18:16] yes, me too [22:18:17] but, that won't give much of "discussion" [22:18:40] I guess (hope) we all basicly want the same game focus ? [22:19:10] yes, I hope so too, or it will give us a big discussion, and maybe lose members :( [22:19:36] another thing. We said that featured discussion should go for one week. Probably we should cange that to two weeks. [22:19:36] game focus should be transporting goods [22:20:02] Officilay [22:20:05] but a featured discussion about it won't harm [22:20:05] and two weeks seems fair [22:20:19] ok, maybe we can re-do the scale discussion afterwards? [22:20:31] easily [22:20:32] There was not much of "discussion". [22:20:44] We all told our point of view, be didn't interact with each other [22:20:47] just save what we have now and reuse at the proper time [22:20:47] that's not good :-) [22:20:58] sure [22:21:02] pjaytycy: I think we have to do so, as the discussion was held back by the fact that we had no fucus. [22:21:54] hence, next featured discussion: Game focus [22:21:59] * pjaytycy agrees [22:22:09] agree [22:22:14] agreed [22:22:15] Zuu, will you take the honours again and start a topic about it and redirect people to the Wiki [22:22:21] sure [22:22:24] and get Chris to make it sticky [22:22:46] I'll do my best. :) [22:23:00] do we have any other stuff we want to share IN the meeting [22:23:18] * eXinion is out of topics [22:23:18] :p [22:23:22] FRD guidance will be after the meeting [22:23:37] I think we should really discuss more in the featured discussions. That's all [22:24:00] nothing to suggest, pjaytycy? [22:24:00] I have no more topics [22:24:14] sorry, crosspost ;) [22:24:19] ok [22:24:22] let's create the agenda for next meeting then and pick a date [22:24:30] 2 weeks from now? [22:24:44] sure, sounds good [22:24:49] two weeks is a good interval [22:24:57] I live day-by-day, so I can't promiss anything :-) [22:25:02] never mind, that's dutch ;) [22:25:02] please help me remind. if I didn't make a topic next saturday I forgot to do so [22:25:03] yes, so you have to loong for it. [22:25:46] agenda [22:25:58] => discuss minutes [22:26:06] => pick new minutes man [22:26:24] => final discussion / comments on game focus [22:26:28] - Discuss minutes of 10-10-2004 [22:26:28] - Picking minutes-man [22:26:28] - FRD progress [22:26:28] - Prototypes [22:26:28] - Featured discussion [22:26:28] - Any other business [22:26:29] - Setting new date + agenda [22:26:29] oops [22:26:30] wrong part [22:26:32] carry on, pjaytycy [22:26:40] => new featured discussion [22:26:51] => (maybe some prototype-progress) [22:27:01] FRD progress [22:27:02] => FRD (should be complete) [22:27:15] anything else? [22:27:24] don't think so [22:27:32] Should FRD be after picking minutes man as usal? [22:27:42] ok [22:27:51] that would be fine [22:28:42] next meeting on 27-11-2004 @ 2000 UTC (unless a change in date is preferred) [22:29:05] and this meeting has come to an end